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Interview with Jamie Babbit
by Sarah Warn, June 2004

Jamie Babbit directing "But I'm a Cheerleader"


Jamie Babbit made her directorial debut with But I'm a Cheerleader in 1999, and has since directed episodes for numerous television shows, including Wonderfalls,
Nip/Tuck, Gilmore Girls, Miss Match, Popular, Malcolm in the Middle, and The Bernie Mac Show.

About to begin pre-production on her new film starring Thora Birch and Elisha Cubert, she talks to us about making Cheerleader, why cable TV takes more risks with lesbian characters, and what she loved about working on Popular.

AE: It looks like you’ve directed an episode of almost every great show on TV; how did you get into that?

JB: It was a process, but I got an agent after doing But I'm a Cheerleader, and then got an interview with the executive producer of Popular, Michael Robbins. Popular was kind of similar to Cheerleader so they gave me one episode to direct, and then they liked what I did so they ended up hiring me to do twenty more in the first two seasons.

AE: The writing was just so terrific on that show…
JB: It was. By the end of the first season I was a producer on that show, as well. I worked on Popular for two years, and then I had good recommendations from them, so I went and worked on other shows.

AE: Walk me through how you go about directing an episode. Do you just get handed the script and told what to do?
JB: Basically. The way TV works as a director is that it’s an eight-day shoot for a one-hour show, and five days for a half-hour show. That’s pretty much industry standard. On a one-hour show you have eight days for pre-production, as well, which is where you cast the parts just for that episode, scout locations, and talk to the writers about what they want. They go through the scenes and tell you what they want to convey in each scene--because the writer’s the real boss in TV. It’s 50% writer, 50% director, whereas in features it’s 90% director, 10% writer.

AE: What’s your approach to directing an episode?
JB: My philosophy is that the writers know what they want, and I really try and please the writer-producers. If you notice that there’s ten million producers on a television show, it’s because they’re not producers, they’re writers. They just get producer credit.

AE: Which TV show that you've worked on is your favorite?
JB: Popular, definitely. The cast was hilarious, and really fun to be around. Tammy Lynn Michaels is still a friend of mine, as is Leslie Grossman, who plays Mary Cherry.

AE: They should have created a spinoff with those two...
JB: I know! Maybe someday. Although Tammy Lynn Michaels’ new sitcom was picked up by NBC…I think a sitcom’s going to be better for her because she’s a mom, and wants to spend time with the kids, and sitcoms require less time on the set.

AE: I’m kind of bummed she has a supporting role in the series, though; it should be just all about her!
JB: I know, but it’s just like Karen on Will and Grace – she’ll have all the funny lines.

AE: Do you think the fact that there are more openly gay women in TV now is a reflection of society’s increased tolerance…
JB: Definitely. Although I think entertainment is even ahead of the curve a little, but ultimately, the whole business environment in general is more open to being out at work. In front of the camera, though, it’s still like the 1950s.

AE: Do you think the proliferation of lesbians behind the scenes will create more lesbian characters on the screen?
JB: Yes, but I think TV’s still very conservative, because it’s big business, and the network execs have the power, not the creative people.

AE: Do you think the lesbian characters on cable shows like Nip/Tuck are going to drag network TV along when it comes to lesbian content?
JB: Cable TV shows have to be riskier in order to attract a different audience than the 50-year-old white middle class people who are watching network TV. So in an effort to get a larger audience they’re reaching out to different communities, which I think is great.

Jamie Babbit and Andrea Sperling
And with the whole new gay channel MTV is starting…they’re realizing that gay people have money. Lesbians especially watch a lot of TV, I think. We’re a great audience for them.

AE: Do the number of men still far outweigh the number of women in TV?
JB: Oh god yes. It’s all totally men, totally white. Very male-dominated. It’s a very lucrative business, and anything that’s lucrative is going to be very male-dominated. Whereas the nonprofit sector, like social work, where you make no money, is all women. TV is very competitive and very lucrative, you mostly get hired through word-of-mouth, who you play golf with, etc.

There’s definitely a gay network, too, though, that’s always been very good to me, like Ryan Murphy being an out executive producer, and I worked with Darren Star this year.

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